3rd House Lord in 8th House


Last updated on December 17th, 2022 at 02:55 pm

What does 3rd House Lord in 8th House mean?

When the planet that rules over the 3rd house is positioned in the 8th house from ascendant, it means to have this combination of 3rd lord in 8th.

As a general effect of this combination, the significances of the 8th house, such as longevity, hidden matters, hidden sense, occult knowledge, transformation, unearned wealth, as well as, sorrow, delay, instructions, sudden events causing losses, etc are influenced by the significances of the 3rd house, such as valor, courage, motivation, skills, efforts, ability to take action, hobbies, short travels, mental strength & intellect, written & verbal communication, communication technologies, as well as cousins, younger siblings, etc.

It is generally considered an unfavorable combination because of two primary matters. Firstly, the 8th house belongs to Dusthana Bhava which translates to a house of difficulties, sudden dramatic events, losses, etc.

Secondly, the third house lord in the eighth house is located from the sixth sign/house from its own sign. The 6th house is also a Dusthana Bhava, namely litigations, enemies, disputes, etc.

However, there are certain conditions that indicate the ability to reap benefits and promote auspicious outcomes out of the topics of two malefic houses.

Some positive results are interpreted, when the 3rd lord is favorably placed:

  • sign-wise
  • Nakshatra/star wise
  • Nakshatra pada wise or in favorable Navamsha (D9 chart)

The 3rd house belongs to Kama Trikona, making it a carrier of desires. The 8th house belongs to Moksha Trikona making it a carrier of topics that lead to salvation. The 6th disposition represents the 6th house which belongs to Artha Trikona making it a carrier of wealth and livelihood.

Results of 3rd House Lord in 8th House

Pain Into Gain

The majorly recognized topic of the 3rd house is courage and the power to take action. The positioning of the 3rd house ruler in various houses can help determine how courage and action are applied throughout life, especially during the main and sub-periods of the 3rd house ruler.

With the 3rd house ruler in the 8th house, it is generally indicated that courage is often expressed in disasters, sudden events, and calamities. In fact, the 8th house shows that the native is out of control, and their courage is often expressed as an only resort.

Interestingly, the 3rd house is actually the powerhouse of the 8th house. More specifically, the 8th place from the 8th house is the 3rd house itself. In simpler words, it means that enduring dark periods and facing the deepest fears grow courage like nothing else.

Therefore, the connection between a house and its powerhouse is actually a very effective connection, even though various difficulties are indicated. After all, calm seas never made any skillful sailors.

It is a widely known saying that one can truly know how much mental strength one has when there is no other option left than just being as strong as possible. This is probably the best way to explain this combination in a nutshell. In fact, the 8th house signifies hidden energies and the 3rd ruler in it indicates lots of hidden strength that is discovered during significant periods in life.

Because the 8th signifies unknown energies, it often denotes delays to an unknown extent. At the same time, the 3rd is mild malefic which signifies ongoing obstacles and the association of it with the 8th signifies that the issues are often prolonged. However, one can take heart because the prolonged struggle is nothing but a catalyst for developing greater strength, patience, and wisdom.

As the 8th house is about suffering, darkness, and fears, while being a carrier of salvation, it indicates events that transform one’s soul. From a spiritual perspective, it signifies that God gives trials to cleanse our souls, strengthen us, and elevate us spiritually. God never gives burden we are not able to carry, even when the struggle seems endless.

At a very perfect timing, the struggle ends, and those who endure with patience, honesty, and gratitude, have many special blessings waiting to be received by God Almighty, the sole owner, and creator of everything in the Universe.

As God is the only one who knows everything about the unseen, God knows perfectly how much we can handle and when to give us ease and relief along with huge rewards. The only thing for us to do is to remain patient, increase faith, pray regularly, and remain still except when we can do something of righteous nature.

God’s Final Messenger [PBUH] said, “If God wants to do good to somebody, God afflicts them with trials (just before blessings).”

Sahih al-Bukhari 5645

God also says in The Last Word that always there is perfect ease bundled with every trial. One must always know that God tests those intensely who he loves more because God expects more purity from them. Hence, in all kinds of struggles, no matter if it is financial, emotional, or physical, there is almost always a hidden blessing in it. In the best and most cases, one emerges stronger, healthier, and wealthier than before trials.

In worst cases, there are still blessings of its own kind which consist of the fact that trials expiate the sins making the soul free to enter heavenly destinations hereafter. As for the sins performed, God already transformed those to the highest benefit for the righteous and the worst nightmare for the wicked.

There is always a reason and place for every happening in this world, be it good or bad. The fact is that those sincere people, who are sinners yet believe in one God as their Creator, are always protected from whichever calamity and blessed with the best outcomes. That is even when they can not see hidden blessings initially and this is okay because only God is fully able to see the hidden.

Herein spiritual success is measured in how many adversities one can overcome without turning against faith and God. And the one who is grateful does not become angry or impatient in front of delay and does not seek unethical shortcuts. The latter is especially prominent in modern days because it is very easy to perform various bad shortcuts which must be avoided at all costs to avoid sudden losses (in case of damaging the 8th house significances with wrongdoings).

One of the best examples comes from Virgo Ascendant whose 3rd house ruler Mars is in its own Moolatrikona sign Aries in the 8th house. The reason for being the most significant example to illustrate this effect is that Mars is the planet of action, protection, and leadership. The great dignity of Mars in its own sign shows having immense respect toward righteousness. Therefore, their actions are automatically inspired by righteousness and good intent. Besides this, Virgo is the 6th sign and perfectly fit for flawless duty and service, which is fulfilled with the highest integrity and sincerity as the dignified planet of action indicates.

The great dignity of Mars also shows that this effect described earlier unfolds in the best ways, even though various difficulties and calamities are experienced. Mars is a planet of courage, warriors, and protection making it well suitable for the turbulent environment the 8th house offers. Therefore, instead of being depressed, oftentimes these natives find it very comfortable and pleasant to be amidst calamities and have the chance to overcome major difficulties.

They believe that more pain will lead to more gain both spiritually and materialistically. Being highly devoted to righteousness, they are likely to commit no major mistakes against faith and God during the hardest trials and thus earn some of the greatest rewards which are felt herein and hereafter.

Another great example comes from Leo Ascendant whose 3rd house ruler Venus becomes exalted in 8th house Pisces. According to classical scripture, Saravali natives with exalted Venus have some of the best virtuous characteristics and are destroyers of enemies. During the process, they amass great livelihood and give a portion of it away for charitable causes. Note that Pisces is the 12th sign signifying humbleness and selflessness at its best where exaltation of Venus indicates enjoyment of riches the purest way while maintaining spiritual purity.

Speaking of which, their spiritual purity is what helps them to endure some of the most difficult periods in life and emerge as one of the strongest, wisest, and most fortunate. Venus being a naturally benefic planet shows that the way these natives handle issues is not so direct and strict as Aries Mars’s example indicates. Natives with exalted Venus in Pisces take a very peaceful yet clever and strategic way to confront and solve the difficult issues arising in their paths.

To illustrate this effect from another, more difficult perspective, let us analyze Gemini Ascendant example whose 3rd house ruler Sun is undignified in the 8th house Capricorn. According to Saravali, these individuals are mean and greedy making them eager to perform unethical work. This is reflected by the fact that the planet of truth Sun is slightly damaged in the earth sign making them prioritize materialistic matters more during the significant periods of the 3rd house ruler. In this example, pain is turned into more pain due to an incorrect approach toward challenges.

As a result of which these individuals have a bad habit of harnessing unethical acts whenever they face struggle. They tend to become more bitter amidst calamities instead of becoming more humble and faithful leading them to express this resentment toward other people unjustly. In fact, they tend to criticize good people, especially those who are prosperous. This should be avoided and they should rather seek cooperation with them to get rid of troubles and succeed.

According to classics they also tend to leverage others people’s success, fame, or wealth in order to acquire selfish benefits or competitive advantage. The unfair advantage s just a mere illusion that brings more destruction as the gain is only for a fraction of time. Instead, they should harness their bitterness on wrongdoers which makes it easier to correct the mistakes that we all make at times. It is important to note that the inauspicious outcomes will not be expressed fully or not at all when dignified Saturn guides Capricorn Sun well or if Sun is exalted in the D9 division. If that is the case, then they will understand the outcomes of bad acts by themselves and put in an early effort to avoid heavy mistakes and wrongdoings.

growth Of Abundant Strength

The 3rd house is all about self-made effort, valor, and strength to put in the effort while the 8th is about situations that tend to repeat until a lesson is learned. The 6th disposition signifies discipline which must be increased to deal with repetitive issues.

If the third lord is very strong or in its own sign, or sign of exaltation, it gives a huge amount of willpower and physical strength to the native to deal with repetitive issues which are hidden sources of their abundant strength.

However, it also increases the chaotic events and enemies around. But it is meant for a reason which is to make the native stronger and overcome these obstacles. It also indicates that people with this combination are well-designed by God to deal with sudden events.

Alternatively, if the combination is ill-formed, it indicates having a lack of valor and courage which is caused by negative jealousy toward others. This jealousy steals a sense of gratitude which hinders or delays the prosperity of the native.

The excessive jealousy, ungratefulness, and lack of valor make them less motivated to take action and apply their own skills productively.

As a result, they become also overly critical and selective, which makes them lose a lot of great opportunities in life, because of being ungrateful for any opportunity presented. Now that typical mistakes are known, one knows exactly what to avoid in order to remove blockages of personal success, both spiritual and material.

Highwayman Mentality

The classical source of Vedic astrology BPHS states that people with this combination will have a mentality of a highwayman (thief). Astrologically, it can be defined through two indicators in Vedic astrology.

Firstly, the 8th house signifies hidden matters and unexpected changes, thus, it is connected to the losses due to thefts, as one of the negative significances of this house. The 3rd house signifies the power of the mind, and when the considered ruler comes to the eighth house, it produces the mentality of a thief.

Secondly, the 3rd house lord in the 8th house is located in the 6th from its own sign, which represents disputes and quarrels. This adds an aggressive or critical intonation to the mentality. In other words, one is determined for something which makes them especially cunning.

Religious truth & wisdom to bless your life

Keep repenting and repeating secretly in mind: "God is enough for me and I bear witness that there is no other worthy of worship than the Almighty Creator alone" for the joy and abundance of God to flow in.
(Surat al-Baqarah 2:163)

Whoever makes the Hereafter (aims for piety & righteousness to attain salvation) his/her goal, Allah (english: God) makes his/her heart rich, and organizes his/her affairs, and the world comes to him/her whether it wants to or not.
(Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2465)

And God is the most merciful and loving. The God Almighty said: By My might and majesty, I will continue to forgive them, as long as they seek My forgiveness.
(Musnad Aḥmad 11237)

And God protects the faithul more than a caring Mother protects her child.
(Sahih al-Bukhari 5999)

Do not perform idolatry, impiety, disrespect for parents. Never endanger lives (saving one life is like saving whole humanity). Do not commit theft, adultery, false witness (disregard all cruel conspiracies towards innocent believers), and do not envy.
(Surat al-An’am 6:151-153)

The Messenger of God [PBUH] used to stress charity in his sermons, and prohibit mutilation. But protect truth and believers at all costs.
(Sunan an-Nasa'i 4047)

There must be no racism, sects, tribes, or gangs amongst you, and take special care of women, and increased rewards get those who educate women especially who suffer in calamities.
(The Last Sermon, Riyad as-Salihin 278)

Holy Prophet [PBUH] raised the status of and established legal rights for women which were never present before, and protected them from harassment, and stressed duty and good treatment to mother. Also, completely prohibited injustice towards girl-children (unjust people used to get rid of them for financial reasons).

(Sahih al-Bukhari 3446, Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 5, al-Baqarah 2:228)

All people are practically beleivers if they believe in one God, The Prophets (some of them: Solomon, Moses, Jesus) and The Seal of Prophets (Muhammad) peace be upon them. That is, do not be quick to judge and leave judgment to God except when there is direct threat to righteous beleivers.

Muhammad [PBUH] was most akin to Jesus [PBUH], who is coming back, and the best of people will be under protection of Jesus [PBUH].
(Riyad as-Salihin 1808)

Some of The Last Words of God via The Last Prophet [PBUH]

Messenger of God [PBUH] said: “The thief is not a believer while he is stealing, but there is a chance for repentance; (if one repents sincerely, God will accept the repentance).

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2625

However, those characteristics should always be applied for good purposes whenever it is possible. In fact, it is always possible. Not only that it avoids one from increasing trouble, but also helps to prosper and correct mistakes by joining the good and applying cunning tactics against the oppressor.

If the 3rd ruler is ill-placed in the 8th house, it indicates that these natives are inclined towards gossiping about others and making criticism secretly. In this situation, they are also inclined towards causing hindrances to others’ paths to success.

This effect is especially prominent in the case of the Sun in the 8th house Capricorn. That is because the Sun as the planet of truth and light is not suited to darkness except to bring truth into it. However, in this case, undignified Sun, as stated by Saravali, indicates bringing untrue things to an already difficult situation.

However, as a positive twist to this effect, one can actually have this mentality for the best purposes as well. Namely, in positive case scenarios, these individuals learn and research about thieves until they obtain the mentality of a thief for the sole purpose of battling the wrongdoers more effectively than ever.

This effect is especially prominent in the case of Virgo Ascendant natives, whose 3r house ruler Mars is in its own sign Aries in the 8th house. A well-formed 6th disposition in the 8th house literally translates to having the high urge to enter into battle and cause adversity to adversaries for righteous intentions.

Proficient In Service

The same classical source also mentions that such natives earn a livelihood through service. This effect can also be defined through the 6th disposition formed by the 3rd lord in the 8th house. Herein the 6th house also signifies service, which requires discipline and overcoming challenges.

Besides this, the 6th belongs to Artha Trikona which makes it a carrier of livelihood. Therefore it is clear that the efforts of these natives are harnessed with intonation to earn a great livelihood through service and overcoming adversities.

Hence, the 8th house also signifies that they are often active in spheres where very difficult situations are discussed or solved. In the case of a natural malefic planet as the 3rd ruler in 8th, these individuals are likely physically involved in calamities, especially in areas where unexpected events are concerned. It may be anything from emergency service to psychological counseling, where deep knowledge that requires research is also involved.

To serve and protect is written in their mentality, as the 3rd house significance of mentality indicates in the 8th house. This is especially prominent in the case of Aries Mars which directly shows to serve (6th disposition) and protect (Mars in Aries) in the name of righteousness. Their efforts and willpower are directed towards serving truthful causes if the 3rd ruler is dignified. A well-formed combination indicates earning a great amount of wealth that is well-maintained and spent lawfully on good things and charities.

Another great example to bring here is from Pisces Ascendant whose 3rd house ruler Venus is in its own sign Libra in the 8th house. According to Brihat Jataka, Libra Venus natives will gain from great efforts that are applied with intellect and balanced reasoning. They are also said to be fearless.

That is because of a dignified planet in the cardinal sign in the 8th house which indicates having no fear to initiate processes even in chaotic situations. Saravali states that they will be skillful in serving and protecting people of their own society which makes them renowned. Most importantly, they worship God and follow righteous and ethical principles in their initiations which makes them highly prosperous during the period of Venus.

Otherwise, if the 3rd ruler is undignified, then there is a danger of greed becoming associated with wrongdoers in service for selfish purposes. This leads to a situation where the chain of actions, when revealed as events pick up, causes sudden destruction to the wrongdoers as negatively expressed 8th house indicates. In this case, a livelihood can be a loss for various reasons, either due to defeat by the righteous or all expenses on account of bad habits. Leaving bad habits and sinful tendencies is a must to turn this adverse situation around.

this negative effect is especially pronounced in the case of Aries Ascendant whose 3rd house ruler Mercury is undignified in the 8th house Scorpio. According to Saravali, these natives do not follow righteous principles and are thus prone to make many foolish mistakes leading them to bad situations, debts, and other issues. Thus, they are prompted to work super hard while having little gains. That is unless they change direction and improve their conduct and morality which will erase their wrongdoings and pave the way for a prosperous future.

The improvement is especially noticeable if the guide of Mercury which is Mars in this case is dignified. Otherwise, results are even more disastrous due to wrong actions from bad ideas. In a positive light, these natives are very hard-working because circumstances lead them to develop this skill. They can be great researchers because Mercury is the planet of intellect as the 3rd ruler of intellect in the 8th house of deep wisdom.

Sudden Wealth Changes

As the eighth house also signifies sudden events, and the third lord aspects the second house of wealth, it denotes sudden wealth changes. Now the outcomes are highly dependent on the dignity of the given ruler in a given house.

With auspicious positioning in favorable signs, it indicates sudden gains, especially through enemies or after defeating them.

In the positive case of Aries Mars, Pisces Venus, and Libra Venus, the sudden gain of wealth is proven by classical sources such as Saravali and Brihat Jataka.

Whereas the ill-placement of the same combination indicates sudden losses caused by the enemies themselves. It also causes loss of wealth because of heavy negative karma due to wrongdoings which the 8th house delivers in form of sudden losses.

The negative results are proven by the classics when it comes to Capricorn Sun, Scorpio Mercury, and Gemini Saturn. The improvement of a bad financial situation happens as soon as one understands the reason for downfalls and makes effort for sincere improvements.


The 8th house is the house of transformations and also belongs to the triangle of salvation or Moksha Trikona. In order for transformation to happen, one does have to experience extremely adverse situations. In fact, no one can escape the effects of the 8th house, because we all have at least the 8th lord positioned somewhere if there are no lords in the 8th house itself.

As the 3rd lord of courage, mental and physical strength is involved with transformations, it indicates that people with this combination have to undergo sorrows in mind in order to find the light to move forward. In order to find strength, willpower, and stamina to fight opposition (6th significance). The sorrow is also created by constant opposition and enemies.

If the 3rd lord is favorably positioned in the 8th house sign-wise, it indicates that such natives have beneficial outcomes, that is, experience transformation for the better and gain sudden strength and willpower to move on. In the positive case scenario, the sorrows are actually beneficial as they improve mental maturity by pondering about deep topics of life making them more serious and trustworthy.

With the ill-placement of the considered combination, there is a significant lack of stamina and strength to fight adversities which indicates remaining in constant fear which also indicates damages and losses caused by progressing enemies. As the 8th house is concerned, the opposition arrives suddenly and maybe also from hidden societies.

In the case of Cancer Ascendant, the 3rd house ruler Mercury is in Aquarius 8th house. According to Saravali, these natives are sorrowful due to the lack of good thoughts. It is a well-known fact that thoughts affect reality and actions. hence, they should put in extra effort to improve their mentality and think about thoughts of good nature and productivity. This will help to get out of this endless pit hole of sorrow.

Evolution Of Spiritual Perspective

The 3rd lord belongs to the triangle of desire or Kama Trikona and its placement in the 8th house of the triangle of salvation indicates an inherent deep urge or desire to apply action, effort o research, and develop the required knowledge to become more spiritual or closer to salvation.

On the contrary, if the 3rd lord is in bad dignity and weak in the 8th house, it indicates having a very jealous mentality with lots of grief and resentment. This also reduces the benefits of spirituality and hinders the process of becoming enlightened.

Interest In Hidden facts

Such people have the desire to communicate about hidden matters and miracles of life, such as complex sciences, deep research, forensic science, psychology, or even topics related to underneath the surface, such as mining or deep engineering.

When it comes to Scorpio Ascendant natives, then the 3rd house ruler Saturn is in Gemini 8th house. According to Saravali, it indicates one who is always interested in the hidden facts which they sometimes use for personal gains. Namely, they seek secret information and give advice according to their own preference. Sometimes they manipulate using hidden facts by giving incorrect advice.

If this combination is ill-placed, the native may be involved in false conspiracy theories and factless accusing against others. This also hinders their own prosperity by wasting energy on useless and unproductive matters.

These acts also increase negative karma, as the 8th house is the harbinger of karmic results. Instead of wasting time on unscrupulous acts, one should harness it for self-improvement which will avoid the accumulation of sins and propels one towards success.

Avoid Immoral Cravings

The 3rd house is one of the Kama Trikona houses making it a carrier of desires while the 8th house is known for activities to fructify partnerships. That is because it is the 2nd from the 7th house making it a gain from love partnerships.

Therefore, this combination indicates having a desire for activities about romantic seduction. In positive cases, this leads to increased spark and excitement in relationships.

It is clearly proven by classics such as Saravali that in positive examples it leads to a very healthy enjoyment of desires which maintains spiritual purity. This is especially prominent in the case of Pisces Venus and Aries Mars. The first example relates to women more while the second example illustrates males with healthy desires.

In this case, the enjoyment is far greater leading to increased marital bliss as well. It also proves one to have gratitude and mutual understanding with a lawful partner. This understandably increases comfort and spiritual connection and thus allows for the best experiences regarding desires.

However, when it comes to negative examples it indicates having dirty and immoral desires of the same. In other words, the native is actually having a hard time taming desires from lawful experiences leading to discovering ways that are extremely transgressive and can increase romantic ingratitude which in turn leads to seeking unlawful ways of satisfaction.

When it comes to Sun as the 3rd house ruler in the 8th house Capricorn, there is clearly mentioned in Saravali that they have a tendency to seek immoral satisfaction with wicked partners. This effect will not be felt or the lesson is learned early without major inauspicious outcomes in the case of a well-guided Sun by Saturn or if Sun is exalted in D9.

Avoid Troubles With Siblings & In-Laws

The 8th house belongs to the in-laws as being in second to the 7th house of the spouse. In other words, the family (2nd) of a spouse (7th) is the 8th house. With this combination, the native is often involved in communicating with the in-laws.

If the combination is well placed, there is good and harmonious contact with the in-laws of the native. Such a native likes to keep their own family and family of in-laws together united.

The same applies to the siblings because it is one of the primary significance of the 3rd house. With the 3rd house ruler in the 8th, it is indicated that the siblings of the native undergo various calamities which in positive cases increase mutual cooperation with the native due to relatable feelings. After all, helping another is helping oneself.

With ill-placement of this given combination, the native faces many quarrels and disputes with inlaws, which also disturbs their own family (2nd house significance).

When it comes to an undignified 3rd house ruler in the 8th house, the native might be in constant enmity with their siblings due to jealousy, greed, or power struggles. These must be avoided because God has commanded us to maintain healthy ties of kin and never accepts greed as a reason. In fact, greed is the cause of enmity between kin and should be dealt with which improves spiritual purity as well as mundane life in form of increased cooperation with siblings.

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Classical Sources Used: BPHS, Saravali, Brihat Jataka, Lal Kitab, Yavan Jataka. References to The Last Word of God are included not to mix Sunnah Kitab or Quran with worldly science, but to offer the best cure for worldly issues. Always know that this science and the latest religious revelations are separated from each other for more than 5000 years. If you were to evolve from old Vedic science and adopt the latest religious teaching, the leap is worth more than 5000 years of human evolution. I am currently conducting theological updates on all articles, hence some errors may be there. All credit for increased wisdom goes to the best & brightest man who ever walked on Earth who is no other than the Greatest Blessing For Humanity & Seal of Prophets Muhammad ﷺ, and people who kindly taught me the Word of God. All glory to God Almighty.

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Martin Boldovski

All the articles are based on the information given by Ancient Sages as seen from various classical sources which are addressed to Vedic enthusiasts. My intention is to deliver this knowledge in the most original form possible, i.e free of blasphemy, with elaborated explanations which are supported by actual observations to help Vedic enthusiasts get rid of confusion and introduce the right guidance via The Last Word to get closer to God and attain inner bliss.

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